What is Cardinal Bikes?
Ryan Fudger
- April 17 2009
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- 91 comments
Considering the fact that there’s been mentions online and a news blurb about it in the current issue of Ride, it’s not all that much of a rumor about a new company by the name of Cardinal Bikes. What there does seem to be a serious lack of, are details about it. To remedy this and squash any misinformation, I hit up Cardinal’s brand manager, Nate Moroshan about the new venture…
Boy and Nate… Photo: Subias
What is Cardinal?
It’s a bike company in the early stages and a way to ad something positive to the BMX community.
What was the motivation behind starting your own brand?
Well, I had the idea for Cardinal floating around since 2004. I always thought about starting something, it was just a matter of timing and knowing exactly what I wanted to do with it.
What sort affiliation does Cardinal have with Primo?
The only affiliation is that Tipplus is doing the distribution, so both Primo and Cardinal are coming out of the same building. Ironically, the whole Cardinal team is on Primo. That really wasn’t on purpose, but you spend enough time with certain people and you know who is capable of doing what.
Boy on a built up Cardinal Ambassador frame… Photo: Subias
Who’s on the Cardinal team?
John Heaton, Anthony Flores, Manuel Cantero and myself.
Obviously it’s easy to note that everyone on Cardinal was at one time on Volume. Is that a matter of coincidence or is there something more to it?
It was more than just a matter of coincidence. Heaton was off Volume for almost a year and everybody else was just up for a change. Boy quit at Interbike, I quit in December and Eman quit a short time after that. The pieces fell into place more or less.
How long has it been from the first idea of starting Cardinal to getting the actual frame?
I’ve had the idea for the Cardinal frame in my head for the past five years. When the ball actually started rolling, it was just a matter of drawing it up. After that, it only took a few months for us to get the four sample frames that the team is riding on.
Diggin’ into the archives…Eman rail hop to drop. Photo: Zielinski
You’ve been the brand manager at Primo for a couple of years now, what’s been the major difference with jumping into making frames versus components?
Designing parts for Primo has been a collaboration between myself, the riders and the engineers. A bike part isn’t necessarily going to affect the way your bike feels when you’re riding, but a frame will make or break the way the bike feels. With this idea that I had for the Cardinal frame, I just wanted to make something that me and the rest of the guys would be excited to ride.
What’s been the biggest hurdle to overcome?
The biggest hurdle so far has been making sure that the frame is in good standing before we put them on the market. We have been riding these four frames since the beginning of the year and there haven’t been any problems yet, so I think they’re good to go.
More archives…Heaton, bars in Long Beach. Photo: Zielinski
The most notable feature about the Cardinal frame is the dropout. It’s not a new idea to bikes, but it is to freestyle BMX what are the positive aspects of it?
It’s an idea that I’ve had for a while. I always ran my wheel slammed into the dropout and had a difficult time taking my wheel off with the chain being so tight. I thought about this and the semi-vertical dropout just made sense to me. All you’d have to do was lift your wheel out of the bottom of the dropout while the chain was still on the wheel and you’d never have to shift the wheel back and forth to tighten or loosen the chain because your axle is always going to be slammed. You can even tighten the chain and center the wheel at the same time by sitting on your seat. You can run any gear ratio. I tried all of them. I run a 22-8, Boy and Eman run a 23-8 and Heaton runs a 28-10. 25-9 and 30-11 work too. A regular chain works with this frame, but a half link chain is going to give you more adjustment. This is what we’ve been using and strongly recommend it.
The semi-vertical dropouts on the Ambassador frame.
Are there any downsides? How has testing gone with the dropouts and the frame overall?
I put a lot of thought into the frame before having samples made. All of the Cardinal guys (me, Boy, Eman and Heaton) have tested the samples and are psyched on the dropout. However, I can see this frame not being for everyone. Since the chain stay length on this frame is 13.5, there’s a possibility of getting a little hung up on the vertical dropout slot when going pegless. But none of us have had any problems with this and overall, the frame has been doing really well.
What other products are in the works?
We’re going to start it off pretty slow. We want to make stuff that the team wants to ride. We’ll be doing a bar for Boy, We’ll also have some small parts and accessories, like grips and a seat, coming out soon.
Anything I’ve forgotten? You want to say any pre-emptive words to that muthafucka anonymous?
“If you aren’t going to say something directly to someone’s face, than don’t use online as an opportunity to say it. It is this sense of bravery that people get when they are anonymous that gives the blogosphere a bad reputation.” -Mena Trott
Archived Nate photo. Tight feeble. Photo: Zielinski
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April 17th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
True those last words.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
nice
congrats on the new company
i ran into that problem again today changing a flat
April 17th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
The drop out logo looks a lot like a volume logo. I dot get why you would you do that.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Nate is a sexy bitch!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I sort of see what you’re talking about, but I also see that it’s a wing logo (cardinal is a bird and all that).
April 17th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Hey, just what the BMX industry needs… a new frame company!
haha good luck with that.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
thats an interesting dropout, i hope it works real good.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
The drop-out solution is so simple, yet, so effective. I’m wandering why other bike companies kept from attributing this feature. Also, considering the name of the brand, the design fits perfect: reminiscent of talon–a cardinal with talons. And by the way, Eman point it out to me, that the milled-out design is of the bird’s wing. What more can I say?-Jugo
April 17th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
i like the team and the ideas of this new brand that i was expecting in a while.
congratulations to nate and the team for put it together a great and fresh new bmx brand.
they had a myspace or a website yet ?
April 17th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
how about the chain loose? how do they solve the problem?
April 17th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
thats what i was thinking too, but it looks like its at an angle so the higher up your axle goes the farther back your wheel moves. still seems like there wont be much room for adjustment though to keep your chain tight.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Any flatland parts?
April 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
but if you get your chain completely tight before the wheel gets to the top of the dropout, the backend would feel weird with the wheel slightly lower. would that be a problem?
April 17th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Ryan did you take the photos? Is the chain loose? It kinda looks loose. I’ve never been able to get the right tension when slamming my wheel. That would be my main concern with this idea, that and destroying your drop outs after a hard day of feeble grinds on very low brick ledges.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
What the hell are you talking about?
April 17th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I didn’t take the photos, but I’ve seen Eman change a flat and use the sit-on-the-seat method that Nate mentioned. It all seems relatively simple enough. Nate, E, and Boy all run four pegs and do a lot of grinds, and I don’t think any of them have gotten hung up. Pegless grinds don’t seem like a good idea, though.
I think the biggest difference is that since the frame is a 13.5″ rear end, it stays a 13.5″ rear end. No more 13.5-14.25″ rear, you know?
As for Jake’s comment, that’s right in a sense, your backwheel adjusts up-and-down instead of side-to-side. But really, changing your tire pressure 15psi makes the same adjustment.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
i see the whole head tube angle changing .axle up in the drop out = slower ht. tight at bottom of drop = steeper ht . if u cant picture what im saying , picture it with major up and down changes. lower rear is to ground slower headtube is. more up in air rear is steep ht. if a 1/4 deg. of a angle makes almost every teen whine this will have them crying.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
This shit is tripping me out, in that close up photo of the dropout is the frame upside down or not? If it isn’t that doesn’t look like a very functional grinding surface
April 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
at first i was like… that is stupid. but after reading the explanation, i fucking love it. my wheel is slammed too, making the chain tight as fuck so it doesnt make noise. i have to take off the crank arm/sprocket to get the chain off so i can remove the back wheel… it sucks but i like my ride to be quite and dialed… this would solve that problem for me. hooooly shit!
April 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
what do you think tard? think about it, if i was upside down, and you dropped your wheel in from the top, it could pop out if you didnt tighten it enough… so no its not upside down. and if you use your dropout to grind, get dialed and learn pegs.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
just a thought….. wouldnt making a more rounded dropout fix the problem of hang ups? i run 4 pegs anyway so im thinking this is gonna be my new frame. sounds soooooo nice. id deff give it a try.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Kudos Man! The four of you just keep doing what it takes for BMX to keep moving forward!! I´m all for it.. Great minds create great products and that frame is Great!!!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
If i wanted to run this frame pegless, wouldnt washers do the trick??
April 17th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
nastyest dropouts ugly
April 17th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
would you recommend this frame if you run pegs on one side?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
oh and where/when are they going to start selling their products?
April 17th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I’m just the dude posting the article. I’m not going to recommend anything. I’ll try to get Nate to chime in on any questions, though.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Yeah, I couldn’t rock this. I think it’s on the right path for four peggers, but I feel like there is a reason why BMX hasn’t gone vertical, as they say. I feel like it’s a one trick pony, and I can’t do that trick.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:34 am
What’s next no slot just a hole for female axles to bolt through?
April 18th, 2009 at 12:35 am
You could also make a slotted peg to fill in the dropout as well.
April 18th, 2009 at 2:17 am
Actually, I read S&M was working on that very same idea, and I think it’d be awesome, the strongest dropout ever. (but instead of a hole, it was a slot with closed ends)
and I’d only ride this dropout design if it came with a tiny hole close to the slot, and those washers with tiny safety hooks on them.
by the way, it seems to be to be a good idea for forks too… remember Mike Aitken’s crash at the beginning of FitLife? In fact, forks actually once HAD these hook washers back in the 80’s or whatever… why did the industry stop doing that? is it a washer that’s “too heavy”?… c’mon now…
April 18th, 2009 at 2:21 am
i see what you are saying. but i bet the young crowd wont think about this… unless they read your comment, and then they will still probably be confused haha. and i think for the most part kids only worry about the headtube angle because, 75 is whats hot these days, they mostly just want to say they have a 75 degree to appear cool.
i’m excited about this frame, the dropout seems like a really cool idea now after reading this little interview.
and people (Hines), he just said he doesnt recommend doing pegless grinds with this frame, which means, yes, you can run two pegs, JUST DONT GRIND ON THE SIDE WITHOUT THE PEGS! dee da dee
April 18th, 2009 at 4:37 am
sick.but wouldnt we need half links!?
April 18th, 2009 at 5:15 am
I really don’t believe the dropout fits in a good way all those gearing options…and furthermore pegless people will never buy that frame. I ride pegless and still do grinds, i think this dropout will get ruined…I think it will be better idea to do it between chainstays and seatstays and angled too to tighten the chain by sitting on the bike, and use it with female hubs…I don’t know if it will work anyway…it’s difficult nowadays whit all the minimalism requierd to innovate(altough that was already invented)
Sorry about my shitty english
April 18th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Two words. Chain stretch.
What happens when your chain stretches slightly, enough to not fit another half link on but too little to get your chain taught? And what about hanging up on grinds? It’s like he didn’t even think about silly little things like this which make a huge difference, that’s why i can’t understand the reasoning behind this frame or this company. We’re in a recession, now is not the time to open a new company - especially one which is releasing a frame like this one so openly full of gimmicks.
April 18th, 2009 at 6:14 am
i dont get y the tire mounts on the frame are pointing down on the frame? do you have to use a chain breaker if your chain loosens up?
April 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am
reading is great, i learned from this article that this frame isnt exactly intended for people who like to do pegless grinds, and that halflink chains are recommended due to the small amount of adjustable space. i learned all of that after reading, and making a comment, too bad i can’t speak for all of us. and then it gets worse, we have sam down below that only likes to look at pretty pictures, so therefor he is thoroughly confused as to why the “tire mounts” are pointing down.
AND THEN we have the people who are worried about chain stretch. if your chain stretches enough that you wouldnt be able to run your wheel in this frame… its probably time for a new chain. riding a stretched out chain for long enough affects your gears, puts abnormal wear on them.
April 18th, 2009 at 9:50 am
well theyre all street riders,so if they can grind on it anybody can!where can we find the full specs?
April 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
recession is not the word yet dude
April 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am
why are the tire holes facing the ground. how are you supposed to get the wheel in there when your bike is standing up. and how can you run your chain like this if your wheel is coming in the holes from the bottom???
April 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am
congrats nate. got your company up, next step is getting some clothes that fucking fit.
April 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am
thats alot of views and comments. should do well!
April 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am
well i think they should do a bike check with all of them so we can see what there runing on there bikes
April 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
i saw this on a bunch of mountain bikes years ago its perfect for eliminating alignment headaches and wheel movement
April 18th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
its simple people your axle is always always in the exact same spot its not difficult to set up its easier.
April 18th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
stop complaining, it obviously works if 4 street riders from Primo have no complaints.
April 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
the only problem i can think of is if you don’t have a half-link and you have to run your chain either at the top or bottom of the drop-outs, which would result in a lower/higher back end?
April 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
The vertical dropout seems like a solution to a relatively small problem but it’s still good to see some originality. Dropouts have a lot of room for improvement but I see companies like wethepeople with their new invest-cast dropouts (as seen on the Warriors frame) as being more of an improvement. Dropouts work perfectly well as they are and have been for years with the slot running parallel. Just set your bike up how it’s designed to run and if you insist on having the wheel slammed then expect to have some trouble getting the wheel in and out. Leaving a gap so you can slacken the chain isn’t going to change how your bike rides that dramatically. Maybe I’m missing the point?
April 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Why are you people have such a hard time accepting new things in BMX! It’s okay, new ideas are good, it’s called progress, and moving forward. I bet if it weighed 3.5lbs and Garrett Reynolds, or Aaron Ross(not that there’s anything wrong with Aaron Ross) rode it you’d all be eating this shit up! And to all of you saying “well i ride peg less and i still grind, but those drop outs won’t work”, and “but what if your chain stretches”. And “why are the drop outs facing down?”. Peg less riders, DON’T RIDE THIS FRAME! I’m sure you have at least 2 or 3 options(by the way this is sarcasm for you slow folks out there) that may work for you. And to the others asking the insanely stupid questions, don’t get this frame either, cause this is obviously WAY(!) beyond your I.Q level, so don’t strain yourself over this. Garrett Reynolds just came out with a frame, go buy that….
April 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Oh i forgot to say congrats to Nate Moroshan, and the whole Cardinal team.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I love the idea of a dropout like this, but the whole sit on it to tighten the chain concerns me. It could work if you had about the right chain length but if it’s slightly too short surely you’re going to end up with a VERY tight chain. The tight chain itself isn’t too bad but all the extra force this is going to put on your cassette hub ratchet system / bearings can’t be a good thing can it?
Also, what if your chain length means you have to set it up with the wheel not quite topped out in the dropout? Say you do a massive drop, the only thing holding the wheel in place is the friction from the wheel nuts. I would have thought that the wheel will slip slightly, tightening the chain more and making the above problem worse.
On a different note I always wondered about a system like this but using an eccentric bottom bracket like those made by phil wood.
As regerds the effect on geometry, I really wouldn’t worry. I’m pretty sure changing your tyre from a 1.9 to a 2.2 would have a similar effect.
Anyway, great work with coming up with a new idea, they’re rare enough in BMX. Good luck, I hope it all works out.
April 18th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
hah! well said. people are always so quick to shoot down a new idea that isn’t endorsed by a superstar. i think this is a really good idea for dudes that ride with slammed wheels.
April 18th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I’ve seen Boy’s bike in person…and that shit is sick! those drop-outs wrap right around the peg for perfect grinds…we’ll see in the coming month how big these frames are going to be…as of now…fucking sick!!!
April 18th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
will it have brake mounts?
April 19th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Seems that Nate, Eman, Boy and Heaton don´t know how to ride a bike. They´re pro´s. But you people behind the desk know what is good or not, even when you don´t know what you are talking about. Wait for the release, then we talk about it
April 19th, 2009 at 3:11 am
i think this is a good idea, but what happens if u case? When u case, your wheel is being pushed in exactly the same direction as the slot? If you have your wheel sitting lower in the slot, then surely your chain would go extremely tight, perhaps even breaking.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Not so hot! that removes all adjustability of the chainstay length. I can understand smaller dropouts for weight savings but even then you lose some adjustability of the bike. No thanks on this idea boys!
April 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
heaton runs brakes so i imagine itll have mounts. the dropout is only an inch long so the height of your back wheel will only be a half inch off from normal so psi and tire size will be just as dramatic. i dont think casing would break your chain unless its beat to hell already. it seems like a less trouble system. good luck with it all nate, youre not the type of guy to let the haters get to you. plus your a fucking beast so you could just snap their neck anyways!
April 19th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
but if you run a higher tire pressure in the front and lower in the back it would do the same thing you guys are reading to much into the frame and vise versa with front tire lower and back higher
an if you like slaming your wheel its fine
April 19th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
These comments are mearly constructive critizism, or feedback from riders. How can you expect not to get negative feedback. Not everyone likes what they see. This is how you make your product better. I’ll be the first one to give someone props and accept when I’m wrong. Anyway, I like the concept. Just hope all goes well for your business venture.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
this is deff a good idea, it is a real convenience for street riders, i know alot of people that are going to love this, also seems like a good idea for dirt too, as for me i probably wont run it because i dont run pegs and ride park the most, but i can deffinately see where there is a need for this
April 20th, 2009 at 12:18 am
i feel like the world of bmx has become an aweful thing with the internet as this middle man to the ideas and trends making the future of bmx. like stated before to much balls online with no face behind all this bs. Lots of kids saying good luck in this recession
, bmx isn’t about money. Can anybody say rick thorn money and bitches remember that ad? Seams like its really money and a bunch of dudes being bitches. I support this regardless for the future of the sport whatever it maybe. whats gross is companies like S&M who fell the fuck off on an american made frame dream and got rich and cant swallow how many trends they created that they hate in the proccess. I realized thats why moeller is such a dick head…………. and end i got my 20 minutes of hate today i appreciated reading this grossness and submitting my own hate so touche.
April 20th, 2009 at 12:26 am
If there’s one thing the bmx world needs to remember it’s this;
“If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.”
April 20th, 2009 at 12:48 am
what happens when the crease in your XL tee gets worn in?
April 20th, 2009 at 4:07 am
Having your chain tight but still at the bottom of the dropout, could mean that with a heavy drop, your wheel would move up and back in the dropout and cause the chian to stretch and possibly break on impact.
I can see more “cons” than “pros” to this new design.
April 20th, 2009 at 4:35 am
Seriously folks do we have to come up with every possible reason something is a bad idea? Its not for everyone to be fair and I ride pegless so maybe not for me but I like the concept and appreciate the ingenuity and thought that has gone into creating it. If S&M “fell the fuck off the American made frame dream” then why are their frames still made in Santa Ana California? Chris Moeller didnt get rich and “sell out” like people seem to think he has and niether is he a dickhead by all accounts I’m aware of.
Lets look at the people who wanna bag someone for starting a BMX frame company in a recession. How many 18-25 year old BMX riders have a mortgage? Not a lot, so how exactly does a recession affect them or their ability to buy a frame they like?
Power to ya Nate well done I hope it goes well, for those that are using this to vent their frustrations remember this:
“Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win you’re still retarded”
April 20th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Personally, I like the idea. I can’t imagine a big drop or case pushing your wheel too far up in the dropouts - if it was a problem, you could use those washers that I think either Simple or WTP brought out a while ago to stop your wheel moving too far..
As for geometry, it would affect your ride just as much as a horizontal dropout changes with chain wear - just in a different manner. maybe just as easily remedied by choosing a new tyre with an extra .1 inch diameter am I right?
April 20th, 2009 at 11:37 am
no, you aren’t
April 20th, 2009 at 11:50 am
69!
April 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
he didn’t sell out at all im saying its a sad thing that the image of S&M is driven by the joke about american made frames when they claim to have world class welders and china cant compete with american welders. thats a joke in my mind its all the same fits and S&Ms crack sometimes days after buying them so theres nothing different. And i agree arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics except im not arguing i just think my opinion is worth just the same as urs considering the ability to post it anonomosly via the internet. So to say nothing is kinda defeating of the purpose. plus u posted as well and i would say i agree with u lol. So where the argument?
April 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
who puts themselve on thier team roster….hahahaha dude is hungry
April 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
What happens when you land really hard and your rear axle bolts weren’t all that tight??
POP! there goes your back wheel!
April 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Well it isnt too much of a joke when they are still made in America, and hell I live in New Zealand! haha
They do have world class welders and produce a great range of products that I have ridden most of the 20 years I’ve been riding. I’ve had a stricker for nearly 2 years and its as strong as the day I got it just like the redneck stem and slams. Chinese welders can compete for sure the Taiwanese even more so they are perfectionists and have a very high level of manufacture and if the company they manufacture for is American you’re still supporting local business by buying them.
Fair call we all have an opinion and it should be valid and listened to for what it is I just dont want people to forget what people like S&M have done for and continue to do for the sport we love today.
Saying nothing does defeat the purpose I agree, no argument here
April 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
The welding may be the same quality but the chemical makeup of the metal and what happens to it when heat is applied is what you need to worry about. A frame that is not tempered or cooled properly will be super brittle and break like an ice cicle.
April 20th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
well if you live in america, “recession” is the correct term. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of a decline in the GDP (gross domestic productivity) Open an economics book. We are currently in our third consecutive quarter of decline i believe? don’t quote me on that tho.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:55 am
The picture is the right way up, so your wheel won’t go anywhere (apart from further in to the dropout). It’s an interesting idea, maybe one that other companies will cotton on to like pivotals. Whether people love or hate this idea, people are talking about it, which can only be a good thing.
April 21st, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Fourkbmxco. is a new bike company too, you should post something about it to, they have some rad sprockets, and pegs.
peace..
April 21st, 2009 at 10:41 pm
I am riding the new s&m dirtbike right now, I have only one problem, the chain sits with perfect tension slammed, so I gotta bust the chain to take the back wheel off. The new dropout is the shit. If it is available with brake mounts and gyro tabs this will be my next frame, any word on that? (Sorry I’m not a new school street rider) but either way companies should have options to keep their company in business…
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
josh April 20th, 2009 - 12:26 am
If there’s one thing the bmx world needs to remember it’s this;
“If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.”
This is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m all for the evolution of parts and processes within BMX and I hope this works out as it will open up an entirely different choice of dropout within BMX and could go on to be used by other brands. It just seems that although it may be curing a problem for riders that run their wheels slammed, it’s creating more possible issues and thats what concerns me. I hope that it’s well thought through and tested which should result in a successful product. Unfortunately a lot of “different” ideas like this are rushed through in to production without being tested well enough to warrant their viability and worth as a new product.
Of course this is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. Hopefully any criticism I or anybody else makes is taken constructively. This is the internet and it’s full of people with opinions. If you don’t want to hear peoples opinions GTFO!
April 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Do these drops work well for a riders who bends a lot of axles? It seems that a lot of the side-to side stress will be transferred into the frame, especially on icepicks. What part of the drop do you run your wheel in? Also, how long has the longest test frame been ridden? It’s and interesting idea. If you don’t like it, when you get to design a frame design it with traditional drops, yeah?
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 pm
no reason for that. read some captions too. thats Boy
April 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Shit man bikes these day are just getting confusing and complocated….
April 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
great article! iwas curious about what CARDINAL was all about. hey if E-Man & Boy aren’t having problems with the new frames, i won’t because i don’t ride as hard as those dudes. Nate Moroshan u did a great job! i looked at the pic & the dropouts don’t look weird at all, just like a normal bike. so when does it come out?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
ok oldaswell, i’ve read the interview before to put a coment, just i’m free to show my opinion whit all the respect as i did.You’ve shown your idea on a website that allows users to put coments so show some respect for them.your insolent writing will not make the frame better.
In MY opinion your idea is not the best fucking idea in the whole world.could you stand it?you’ve never wondered why cardinal is the only company to do that?I would like to see someone like sean burns jumping off something huge and getting the wheel to the end of the dropout and a broken chain.then i will laugh.
To my is a great idea to innovate,but i don’t share your opinion.understand people before treating them in a way you won’t do face to face.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
You need to re-read the main article. This frame is for people that run their wheels slammed in the dropouts. If you don’t run a 13.5″ rear length. DON’T BUY THIS FRAME. Pretty Simple. Your Chain isn’t going to brake if you use this frame for it’s intended purpose. Slammed = no movement = no chain break = less problems = more riding
April 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Soooo Stoked in this frame. Finally someone is building a frame that i have wanted for YEARS! Cheers to you guys! When does it come out then?
May 4th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
can you explain to me why the whole cardinal team also being on primo is ironic?
May 14th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
good ideas and good riders on the team, when will these frames be available for purchase? my headtube is a lil ovalized but would rather wait and get myself an ambassador than getting something i dont like as much. anything to simplify bikes is a good thing.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
forks still come with those washers just not in the expensive/top of the line parts. and there a big hassle i work with them all day it pisses me off.
July 17th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
get a newchain…and the grindproblem could easilky be fixedby a hubguard/dropout washer…im sure they’ll develop a fix
October 16th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
i like penut butter