Complete Handlebar Buyer’s Guide - 47 Bars Spec’ed
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- January 27 2009
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Company: Failure
Bars: Smart Bars (Jeremiah Smith signature)
MSRP: TBA
Height: 8″
Width: 28″
Upsweep: 2 degree
Backsweep: 11 degree
Weight: 1.7 lbs
Colors: Flat black, chrome, other colors TBA
Other:
These bars are made in USA with 13-butted 4Q baked heat-treated cromoly TAT.
Why are your bars better than others, or what makes them different from others on the market?
“Our bars are made with a special engineered tubing called TAT. This makes them rule!” - The Beard, Failure
Company: Failure
Bars: Dumbars
MSRP: TBA
Height: 8.75″
Width: 28″
Upsweep: 2.5 degree
Backsweep: 11.5 degree
Weight: 1.8 lbs
Colors: Flat black, chrome, other colors TBA
Other:
These bars are made in USA with 13-butted 4Q baked heat-treated cromoly TAT.
Why are your bars better than others, or what makes them different from others on the market?
“This Dumbar is one of the tallest bars on the market today, so with our TAT tubing and massive size, these bars are perfect for todays serious BMX rider.” - The Beard, Failure
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January 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Uhhh…well I’m not an expert or anything…but I know enough to know that butted tubing doesn’t stop anything from bending…butting means different thicknesses in sections of tubing…it’s supposed to minimize weight where thick tubing isn’t needed and maximize strength where it is needed. It’s a weight savings process…and if anything, a butted tube will fail before a straight gauge tube. I’m not saying that Scerbos aren’t bombproof…just that what that guy says implies that butting increases strength…it doesn’t.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
im suprized S&M bars weren’t in this lil buyers guide.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
You are correct about the butted tubing saving weight by thinning out areas where less stress occurs and thickening the tubing to maximize strength in areas where it is needed. So I don’t understand what you are arguing about. Yes they will be lighter but beefing up areas of high stress like the bends of the bars will prevent failure.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Andrew, all parts companies were contacted and asked to contribute to this feature and these are the companies that came through with the info for you in the week we gave them. Hopefully next time we will get more replies. This was a test for this type of feature and we plan to do others real soon. Which part do you want to know about next?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
it doesnt say anything about being thicker where it matters and thats why they dont bend. plus you dont make them thicker you just machine out material not needed. also, sunday has only been around for like what 5 years or so right? so how do they have 7-8yrs experience heat treating?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
cranks tony cranks!!! btw who cares about butted tubing? buy the bars that won’t bend and ride?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
How about this years pedals?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
yea cranks! alot of problems with cranks cuz evryone wants light bike my right crank arm is slowly cracking, and i cant find my paper work =( does stolen bmx have a lifetime warranty on their cranks?
January 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
You right about it taking’ off weight, but you have to think a bit deeper. By taking’ off weight where it’s not needed will make the bars lighter & with less weight where it’s not needed its taking’ extra stress off of the bars. think about it like this, Shaving an oz. off of one part isn’t a big deal but. 3oz on bars, 32 on a frame 5 on both hubs,5 on seat post and seat. 3 on stem, 10 on tires that 58 oz or 3.63 pounds, right? so that less weight your bike ahs to carry for no reason. It’s like fat people and the potential to have bad joint because they are heavy, get it?
Shane “REAL TALK” O.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I think because all of Sunday’s stuff uses the 41 Thermal process from Odyssey.
January 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
It’s crazy how many companies copy the 12* back and 1* up of the original slam bars. The bmx industry is so flooded with copies of copies of copies.
January 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I was being dumb…I wasn’t considering that butting could also mean INCREASING the thickness of the tubing in some spots, not just decreasing it in spots.
January 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
yea, pedals would be real good. maybe hubs?
January 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
What’s with complaining about copying? Squirrels have five fingers, so do meerkats and hampsters, they must be copying humans… certain other features like ergonomics, evolution, trial and error dictate that optimal positions, and or features will be the most replicated. Trees are copying capillaries, storm cloud formations are copying vortexes. dogs are copying cats. whales are copying sharks, wha wha wha! Why is the world flooded with copies of copies of copies?
January 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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January 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
it is all about the animal bars those are light and pretty strong
January 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
i’m probably going check the sight to see what the geometry of these bars is but does anyone know. I’ll be back to post them
January 27th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
the newest flow rider is Albert Mercado, and he is from San Diego, Ca.
January 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
trey jones-orlando, florida
January 27th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
You’re comparing apples to oranges. You’re saying that the evolution of bmx has brought us the slam bar? I think not. Believe it or not, not everyone prefers the slams design, and they are far from the most ergonomical handlebar design. Bike companies just know that with the current state of bmx all the little trend following kids will want the big uncomfortable slam design because it’s the “in” look. Millions of years of evolution bring us five fingered animals, but 15 or 20 years of bmx doesn’t bring up one uniform handlebar design. Dick.
January 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Newest Flow rider: Trey Jones from Orlando, Florida.
Shadow’s tallest pro rider: Karl Poynter
Shadow’s shortest pro rider: Eli Platt
January 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Newest flow member- Albert Mercado of San Diego, CA
Tallest-Seth Kimbrough?
Shortest-Karl Poynter?
January 27th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
i dont really care about the contest but i have to say that, in my opinion just cuz ive stood right next to the guy ali whitton would be the tallest, cuz the mans a giant!
January 27th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
FRAMES!! oh god yes lets see some sexy new frames with complete specs…thatd be radabonzical!
January 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
bent lumber jacks in about a month! things suck, same with sunday vinnie bars, bent and cracked those in less amount of time.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
The newest flow member of TSC is Albert Mercado who hails from the beautiful city of San Diego, Cali, but is OG FROM Bakersfield, not the bay.
The tallest rider on the Shadow team is Ali, because his mouth is so big he would still be the tallest even if the rest of him was 3 feet tall. The shortest member is Karl Poynter because he rides a freecoaster and I’m a trendy bitchy whiny poseur and I don’t do anything but talk shit about other people.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
In order to be eligible to win, you have to use your Ride account or in the least, leave an e-mail address. It ain’t that hard.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
trey jones is the flow rider, from orlando izzo
the tallest? WHITTON!!
the shortest?? none other than….RYAN “(insert strange name here)” SHER!!
January 27th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
The newest flow member of the Shadow Conspiracy team is ALBERT MERCADO.
Tallest-Eli
Shortest-Karl
January 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
I’m pretty sure I did it right…fuck my life I can’t do anything right.
January 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
it is Albert Mercado San Diego,CA my hometown!!
Tallest:Seth Kimbrough
Shortest:Karl Poynter
January 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
albert macado and he’s from san diego california
January 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Alright, so the Dude is Albert Mercado, and he’s from San Diego. Ryan Sher kept talking about him for like the last year.
As for the shortest guy in the Shadow Pro team…I’d say…Karl Poynter?
January 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
The latest edition to the Shadow Flow team is Albert Mercado from San Diego,California.
The shortest is I think Kark Poynter and for the talest I think it’s a tie between Allister Whitton and Seth Kimbrough.
January 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
the newest flow rider to the shadow team is Albert Mercado, and he is from San Diego.
the tallest would probably be alistair whitton, and the shortest would have to be karl poynter, but im not positive.
January 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
i thought i did it right… i signed in.
January 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
oh yeah, my name is adam van zutphen and my email is vanzut@yahoo.com
January 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
the newset flow rider gots to be Albert Mercado, and he is from San Diego. I think the shortest rider is karl poynter and the tallest rider is seth kimbrough…..fuck im jus guessing on the tall part…cut me some slack
January 27th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
shadow has always made great products. they as a company help bmx as a sport progress through their products alone. i own shadow parts and i have not found one thing i dont like about them. keep on keepin on shadow and embrace the darkness. mortus noctui. death by night.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
newest rider: albert mercado from SD!
tallest hmmm Seth Kimbrough
shortest karl poynter
mail: crzdcole@aol.com
January 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
new rider- Albert Mercado. He resides in San Diego.
Bonus question? no clue.
how bout bonus points for me actually having a account.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
The man him self ALBERT MERCADO is the latest addition to the flow team and he is from the wonderful city of San Diego, california
Im pretty sure seth kimbrough is the tallest
I think karl poynter is the shortest (helps him balance when he is going backwards)
January 28th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Albert Mercado from San Diego is the newest flow team member
I think Eli Platt is the tallest and the shortest is Ryan Sher
January 28th, 2009 at 2:28 am
The latest edition to the Shadow Flow team is Albert Mercado from San Diego.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:18 am
i second the hubs buyers guide. so many out there in so many diffeent fasions, what seperates each one from the other.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Newest International Flow Rider: Albert Mercado
From: San Diego, California
Tallest: Seth Kimbrough
Shortest: Karl Poynter
January 28th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Newest Flow rider: Albert Mercado, from San Diego, California
Tallest: Alister Whitton
Shortest: Ryan Sher
January 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Albert Mercado from San Diego is there newest rider.
No clue about the bonus question
how about extra points for actually having a account?
January 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Newest Flow Rider: Albert Mercado from San Diego,Ca
Tallest:Ali Whitton
Shortest:Ryan Sher
January 28th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
albert mercado from San DAGO, CALIFORNICATION
the tallest member would have to be either seth or alistar they’re both pretty tall
the shortest is definetly ryan sher no doubt.
wow alot of people responded to this i got no chance lol gotta play to win!
now quit jawin!
January 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Albert Mercado. San Diego, California. More specifically National City. i rode with him like twice
January 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
seriously who the hell needs a nine inch rise
on there bars screw it just go ten or twelve next year
sounds right 18 inch rise so i can look like im on a orange county chopper 48 inches wide so i can clip the cars on both sides of the street and some goofy geometry that im comfy
with and everyone else can just guess what they feel like
best part is they weigh in at a full seven pounds but there
147 butted and had the whatevernamed heat treatment 4 times
January 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
As far as the huge bars go, if you’re looking in to it, FBM big apes are definitely the way to go.
January 28th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Newest flow rider: Albert Mercado from San Diego.
The shortest pro rider: I think we all got Sher on that one
The tallest pro rider: maybe Seth
But hey. on or off the bike? (dumb joke)
Hey, can I get to choose the color of the bars? because i’ve been wanting to get the vultus in white so bad.
January 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
NICE
January 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Albert Mercado is the latest edition to the Shadow Pro Team and he’s from San Diego. I guess Ryan Sher is the smallest pro rider and Piotr ‘Piret’ Kotodziej is the tallest. *note : Mercado means market in Spanish and I used to buy my groceries from Mercadona.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
its albert mercado isnt it?from san diego?my emails timocall@iolfree.ie ,imsigned in anyway so s’all good!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
New member: Is Albert Mercado. From San Diego.
Bonus:Ryan Sher is the smallest rider on the pro team and Seth might be the tallest.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
It is Albert Mercado From San Diego, California my HomeTown!!!
Tallest:Seth Kimbrough
Smallest:Karl Poynter
January 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Trey Jones is from Orlando Florida, and i am fairly sure he is the smallest. At least from what i remember from when I went to woodard the same time as him. The carzy slept in jeans and his hat. Definite shredder
January 28th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
The newest flow member of the Shadow Conspiracy team is ALBERT MERCADO.
Tallest-Eli
Shortest-Karl
louis1989@optonline.net
January 28th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Albert Mercado is the new man on the flow and he hails from none other than san diego
January 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Albert Mercado is the newest member of the Shadow Team from San Diego. The tallest member of the team is Seth. The smallest is prolly Ryan Sher who also is on my background doing a insane wall ride down a Spiral Staircase.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Albert Mercado is the newest member of the Shadow Team from San Diego. The tallest member of the team is Seth. The smallest is prolly Ryan Sher who also is on my background doing a insane wall ride down a Spiral Staircase.
kelbyappelhans@fredoniaks.com
January 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
The Shadow Conspiracy’s new flow rider is Trey Jones and he is from Orlando, FL
Bonus: The Tallest member of the Shadow pro team is Ali Whitton
The Shortest member of the Shadow pro team is Karl Poynter
January 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
hubs for sure that would be great or some forks
January 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
It is Trey Jones. From Orlando, Flo-rida. He was in the nike 6.0 vid.Did a cool little tire tap thingy.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
justin__davies@hotmail.com Whoops.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Newest guy added to the team is Albert Mercado
from san diego californa
Tallest- Seth
Shortest - Karl
January 29th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Albert Mercado from san diego Ca. is the newest.
Seth Kimbrough looks like a tall guy;and can 360 over pools.
Ryan Sher is like a smurf compared to everyone else.(no offense)
P.S most of bike is shadow,except for my Bars…
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
newest flow rider is Trey Jones from either Apalachicola, Florida or Apopka, Florida
and as to who is tallest and shortest i am guessing tallest= Alister Whitton or Seth Kimbrough and shortest= Ryan Sher
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
newest flow rider is Trey Jones from either Apalachicola, Florida or Apopka, Florida
and as to who is tallest and shortest i am guessing tallest= Alister Whitton or Seth Kimbrough and shortest= Ryan Sher
January 29th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
he is albert mercado national city,california
January 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Albert Mercado National city,California
he hooked me up with purple badger bars
January 30th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Somtimes!!!
January 30th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Hubs and frecoasters, maybe pedals and/or cranks
January 30th, 2009 at 3:53 am
S and M slams are the best bars you can buy
January 30th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Frames?! I hate the direction BMX went in the last eight years. Thats why I quit. Tho, i like to see whats going on in it and critisize it. All frames look exactly alike. So do bars, forks, stems, etc. Nothing is original anymore. Its sad. I never thought i would bag on the sport i once loved with a passion, but when you walk away from it and look at it like i did you can see evrything thats wrong with it. Profile shit rules! right Matt?
January 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
The newest member to the shadow flow team is Trey Jones….
the shortest member of the shadow pro team is Ryan Sher,
and the tallest rider is Allistar Whitton!!
January 30th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Welcome to Albert Mercado from Sunny San Diego. I will venture a guess Alistar is the most vertically blessed, and Ryan Sher probably still can’t get on most of the rides at theme parks!
January 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am
animal hubs are on the way
January 31st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
They arent stronger so much because they are butted, but rather because they are heat treated.
butting can help with strength, but mostly it is just to lose weight, and when you are thinning out your bars that mch, its a good thing to take advantage of heat treating.
January 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pm
The newest member is Albert Mercado from San Diego, CA.
Seth Kimbrough is probably the tallest.
Ryan Sher is so short he doesn’t have a shadow.
January 31st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
So the newest flow team member is Albert Merkado from San Diego, CA.
I would have to say Trey Jones jumping out of that stairwell would put him high above the rest. Standing though, maybe Ali Whitton. Shortest would be Ryan Sher.
smmacdonald@nsac.ca
January 31st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
oh yeah briney212@gmail.com
February 1st, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Newest flow guy: Albert Mercado from San Diego, California.
Tallest: Ali Whitton
Shortest: Ryan Sher
I think…
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 am
believe it or not, this was a lifestyle sport in which you pretty free to run what evcer parts you want. a lot of riders prefer brakes. a lot of riders dont like pegs on both sides. a lot of riders wera gloves. a lot of riders run their seat post at a slightly higher level than what is popular right now. and then there are a select group who wanna piss and moan about how there arent any new things in bmx. have you seen the evolution of stems? how about headsets? butted tubing? brakes? pegs? tires? yeah youre right “voice of reason” there isnt any new evolution in bmx. as far as the slams and the similar versions of them, they have been selling for well over 10 years. if it aint broke dont fix it. second, last i checked if you work for a living you expect a pay check right? well so do companies that make parts. if the 8pc bars were still selling like they were in the 90’s dont you think they would be making them still? but if they were you would just piss and moan about how 8pc bars are stupid and why cant we just be happy with slams. youre an idiot and im glad you no longer ride, you give freestyle a bad name but being an uneducated moron that is unhappy because you knocked up some hag, gained some sympathy weight and had to sell your bike and camaro to buy a trailor so you could finally move outta her moms basement. do us all a favor and stop coming to this website.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 am
tree branch bars are better than watchin a no-legged ethiopian chase a donut down a hill. buy them
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
newest FlowRider : Albert Mercano
City : San Diego.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
the new flow rider to the shadow team is the one and only Albert Mercado, from San Diego.
the tallest dude would probably be alistair whitton, and the shortest dude would have to be karl poynter. but who is the fattest???
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 am
sweet sweep bars are sweet!
February 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
the newest edition to the shadow flow team is ALBERT MERCADO and he is from San Diego, CA
February 4th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Would be cool to get hold of them bars, Albert Mercado has been added to the shadow flow team and is from San Diego. Any I would say Ryan Sher is the shortest member of the team and Eli Platt is the tallest, edging out Ali Whitton.
Cheers.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Hi guys!
So I scanned the shadow site and found out that the newest face in your flow team would be ALBERT MERCADO from San Diego! Tallest one from pro team oh i don´t know, maybe Whitton…or some other dude Well the shortest one…… even if it was so, i wouldn´t say sher, because Sher friggen shreds and for that famous wallride into the void he is like 7 feet tall for me .
I´m Madis from Estonia. Also as a bonus a vid we did in our local park wich is struggling to get more stuff. See my friends shredding ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=P5hIHtvSrVA
when i happen to win the bars, please don´t send (if you plan to send em to Estonia at all) like 7.5 rise versions or something like that, i´m 6.2 feet tall myself and my back is already sore like a bitch from my small bars and frame. cheers!
February 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
all the stuff is built ourselves, if someone happens to watch the vid
February 5th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
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February 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
trey jones, from Apopka, FL
February 7th, 2009 at 12:31 am
so, who won?
February 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Albert Mercado from San Diego, CA
the tallest has gotta be Alistar Whitton
the shortest… Ryan Sher
I don’t have any shittalking for the day.
I just need new bars. I bent my slams.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 am
the butted tubin holds fine and these are good bars i got them and they are chill bars man
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:31 am
Albert Mercado from san diego california. And the bonus is Karl Poynter as the shortest and tallest being Seth Kimbrough.
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